Spouse Doesn’t Support Your Dreams? Here’s What To Do When Your Spouse Doesn’t Support Your Dreams


Hey there, Jeff Lerner here and in this
video we’re going to be talking about one of the biggest things that I see
impacting young entrepreneurs, which is getting your spouse on board. And a lot
of times it is a spouse, somebody you’re actually married to, but sometimes it’s
not even a spouse, it’s just someone in your life who you just feel like it
would be so much easier to go out and pursue your dream if so-and-so was on
board with you. It trips people up in two ways. It trips people up because you
know, if they don’t have the support, it kind of feels like they’re fighting a
fight, day to day, just trying to do what they feel like they need to do.
Sometimes they just don’t even, they don’t even try because they feel like
until they get the support, they can’t even go after what they want to do. So
it’s not even that they’re fighting the fight, they’re just avoiding it all
together. Either way it’s stopping people short of their dreams. So I want
to talk about it. Okay. So like I said, this is one of the
biggest things that I see impacting young entrepreneurs. I get a lot of
people messaging me about this. I’m not only known for, you know, doing okay as
an entrepreneur doing pretty well, but also I have a supremely supportive
spouse who is very visible and very publicly supportive and has been for a
long time and who I, I very publicly give a ton of credit to as not even
credit for what I’ve been able to do. It’s really sharing and believing that
it’s what we’ve been able to do. Because I just, I mean, frankly from experience,
I’ve lived both sides of it where when you don’t have a supportive spouse or a
key person in your life, it feels like they’re there either against you or
they’re just don’t support what you’re trying to do with your life. It’s so hard to muster the energy
because here’s the thing. Even when you have a supportive spouse, it’s still so
hard. It’s, it’s hard. The work we do is hard, like the world, this massive
monolithic force called the world or culture or society or whatever gives us
this path, right? Like work hard, get good grades, go to school, get a job,
have to change jobs a bunch of times nowadays because jobs ain’t what they
used to be. Rack up a bunch of student debt, chip away at the student debt over
decades and decades. Get a couple percentage points raises every year.
Hopefully, hopefully not have too long a period of time where you’re laid off or,
or where you’re out of work. And then it’s hard to reenter. But you know, we
go through this and do this for decade after decade after decade after decade.
And there’s this support cushion that’s being paid into, you know, that’s
government benefits in the U S it’s social security. And when you get to 65 or maybe 70
you’ll be able to retire, take the benefits and ride out in the sunset. Oh
wait, you’re living too long. We’re running short on medical funds and so we
might have to do some more work and like go back, you know, be a greeter at
Walmart and that’s, that’s it, right? That’s the, the handbook that we’re all
given. And we read through the handbook and we go, well, this has some flaws in
it. And this isn’t like a perfect, a perfect script, you saw yeah but that’s
what everybody does and it’s just the way it is. It’s the one that you’re
given. So it’s the one you’re going to need to do. That’s the world we’re
given. That’s the book we’re given. And when we decide I’m going to go a
different way, they go, okay, give me the book back. And you go, well, is there a new book?
No, there’s no new book. Now you’re on your own. You got to figure it out.
That’s hard. Like at least before we had a book, even if it was an imperfect
book, at least we had it. And then we go, well, I’m going to figure this out
on my own because I don’t, I don’t really like that script. And it sounds
like it’s got some holes in it. So they said, okay, that’s great. You’re on your
own, you know, go watch videos. Go follow Gary V on Snapchat and you know,
try to piece it together and figure it out. Right. That’s hard. That’s all the
battle you need to fight. I think that’s a noble battle by the way. For me, it’s,
it’s a battle I had to fight. The script was never gonna work for me. But then to lump on top of that, that
you got somebody trying to fight against you saying, well, this, that’s not how
my dad did it. That’s not, you know, I want you to just live out of the book
that you were given. Why do you have to go try to figure out your own book? I
mean, to have to fight that fight too. That’s just craziness. So what I wanted
to shoot this video about is to just share essentially how I’ve won that
battle, so to speak. I say won that battle. Meaning I’ve gotten my wife on
board where I don’t have to fight that battle. And I know because previously I
had a relationship where I didn’t have that situation. And so… Okay, so as we’ve been talking about, I
have this incredibly supportive wife who is totally on board. Babe. I’m literally
shooting a video and she just pulled up to bring me Chick-fil-A grilled nuggets,
amazing, healthy. Wants to keep my energy up. So I keep doing the good work and anyway
we’re shooting a video about how to get your spouse onboard with what your crazy
husbands or wife is up to. And I’m going to have him watch the, um, the interview
from our Green Valley Ranch event. So you don’t have to give a big spiel, but
I thought just because while I’m shooting this video, you literally
pulled up to support me with, with nourishment and sustenance so I could do
my work that you should at least pop in and say hi. So just like come here, just
lean in. That’s the camera right there. This is the amazing woman that believes
in me and supports me. Okay. Thank you. Love you. She really is amazing. And
that was 100% unscripted and unprompted. Um, but anyway, that said, there’s an
interview like, like you heard me tell her there’s an interview that we did. We’ve done this a couple of times at
different business conferences, but we did an interview at an event in Las
Vegas, a place called Green Valley Ranch where we actually got interviewed
basically about this dynamic, sort of how she came around to my wild and crazy
vision for our life together. And we had kids, we have kids, she had kids before
she met me. So it wasn’t just her, it was like, I need security for my kids.
And we had a lot of stuff that we had to work through and she shares about it and
it’s, it’s amazing. And as you can see, I’m really blessed, but let’s talk about
how we got it to that point. So I’m going to cut to the interview and let
that take it from here. And I know you’re gonna love it. [Jordan]: You know, we’ve talked a lot
about the, um, you know, the, the four primary issues, the objections that
people face and that is time, money, spouse and fear, right? So I kind of
want to address these and ask your permission to kind of ask some, some
kind of difficult questions around this and get your candid feedback on, on that
and how your perspective has aligned with your life, your life before and
with Jeff during that time. So I wanted to actually start with the spouse
question. So, you know, I was curious of what your definition, what your
definition of the role of a spouse is in your life as in, um, what does it mean
to have a spouse that happens to be an entrepreneur? [Jaqueline]: You want the present
definition of what a spouse should be or do you want me to tell you what I
thought it should be before all of this? [Jordan]: Yeah, maybe both. What was it
and then what does it now, how has that changed? [Jaqueline]: Before, I would say it was
somebody that, you know, you raise kids with, they go to work in the morning,
eight or nine, they’re home around five or six and you have dinner together and
you do kids’ homework together. And on the weekends you play and you get back
to your routine on Monday. [Jordan]: Kind of the traditional view. [Jaqueline]: The traditional view. Yeah. [Jordan]: Did you ever have that in your
life? [Jaqueline]: Mm, no. I had it when I was
a kid. I had it, but not since I, not when I had kids, I didn’t have it. [Jordan]: So even believing that when
you met Jeff, did you believe that you would have that? [Jaqueline]: Yes. Well, that was my
hope. [Jordan]: Yeah. Right. [Jeff]: I felt like there was something
underneath. [Jordan]: Get a job punk. So, you know,
um, as that, as things evolve for you, was there a moment that you actually
realized maybe this isn’t gonna be what our life is like and how did that feel
for you? [Jaqueline]: There were many moments
that I realized this, that that was not what our life was going to be like. And,
um, I think we kind of, I, I, yeah, I had a really hard time. I think you have
a picture in your mind of how things are going to be and why they’re going to be
that way is because you want to, you want to be happy. You want your kids to
have structure and stability and safety. And if things are the way you’re
picturing them, then all that will all come true. But Jeff had other ideas and
it was definitely hard to, um, kind of bring those worlds together. [Jordan]: So when you initially met him,
we heard the story, it was in Vegas here, just kind of down the street a
little ways. And when you met him, did you believe that he was going to be able
to fulfill your needs or was it unknown? [Jaqueline]: I believed that I was going
to be able to get him to do what I wanted him to do. Even if it took some
hard work like that, eventually I would get my way. [Jordan]: Yeah. Yeah. So tell me, when
were you, uh, either surprised that that wasn’t going to happen or, uh, maybe
confirmed that there was going to be some balance in between? Like how that
felt? [Jaqueline]: I think within the first
probably year and a half that we were together and I realized that he wasn’t
going to be who he needed to be to be able to thrive if I kept pressuring him
to stay within my little bubble idea I had created of the happy structured family. [Jordan]: Yeah. So I want to move into
that a bit and obviously we’re diving into some sensitive topics here. Um, but
you know, I wanted to talk about kinda like the lack, the lack of time, right?
So an entrepreneur works 25 hours a day, very likely. And you might’ve not been,
you might not have agreed to that. You might not have thought that that was
gonna be how things would be. So I’m curious how the lack, how the lack of
time, I mean, what did it do to your relationship as you guys were starting
to get integrated maybe what was the moment like when you realize, man, I’m
not going to have as much time with him as I thought I might have? [Jaqueline]: Well, Jeff was on
completely different hours than the rest of the family. Like we’d get up in the
morning and um, you know, get kids to school, whatever, and Jeff would have
been up most of the night the night before working, building his dream and,
and so, you know, there was no, Oh our cute little dinners together or playing
with the kids at five o’clock at night. We were on completely opposite schedules
and it just became more and more clear that it wasn’t going to be anything
traditional at all. But we started to find ways to kind of schedule things to
be able to make them work. And he started, we both kind of started, you
know, doing what we needed to do to me in the middle and him be able to do what
he wanted to do and me still have some of those things that I wanted for the
kids in the family. [Jordan]: You said kind of a keyword,
you said he was building his dream and I want to dive into that. It’s interesting
you chose that specific phrase. Um, especially at the beginning. Did you
feel like him building his dream was the ultimate detraction from your
relationship because he was doing his thing and maybe at the beginning it
wasn’t your thing? [Jaqueline]: Yes, definitely. Um, I
think that that’s part of what was so hard and has been hard is that I think
when I think I, I felt a little bit left out of what he was doing. And I think
that it’s easier when it is more of a traditional, you know, traditional job
and schedule because then with the predictability of that and the dinners
together and the weekends together and everything else, I still would feel
like, you know, we were doing this life together, but it, it felt really
separate for a, for a long time. So, [Jordan]: Yeah, and so I’m curious, and
you know, obviously you’re being super honest. So do you feel like Jeff,
especially at the beginning, I mean I know him now, I didn’t know him back
then, so I think I know how things would go now, but I’m curious at least
initially, did you, do you feel like he actually made the effort to include you
in his plans? [Jaqueline]: I feel like he made the
effort to the best of what his ability was at that time. [Jordan]: Do you feel like maybe if with
his just constant pursuit of knowing like, I have to get there, I have to get
there. I also don’t want to leave my family behind that. Do you feel like he
might’ve, you know, in his mind said, look, I don’t even want them to be
exposed to my potential failure or my losses or something that didn’t work, so
I’m going to save them and harbor them separately and just kind of be on an
Island for a moment. [Jaqueline]: He was literally, it’s
funny you say on an Island because he was locked in a cement room in our
basement for, I don’t even, I don’t even know, like, I mean months and months,
year, a couple of years probably. Um, while we were kind of all up doing our
thing and it was like, this isn’t what I had pictured, this isn’t all what I had
pictured. And I think the biggest thing is you’re just afraid. You’re afraid
you’re not going to get the time together. You’re afraid that the kids
aren’t going to get their time with him, with their, with their parent. And yeah,
it’s really scary. It’s unknown. It’s not what you see on, you know,
commercials and, you know, movie endings and things like that. [Jordan]: Yeah. Well, you know, a lot of
people, even in this room are probably looking at you and you both and saying,
wow, that’s the epitome of success. But it wasn’t always that comfortable and it
comes off and with like a background of difficulty. And so, um, you know, this,
uh, not comfortable for you to, to, for us to even discuss here, but we, I know
we understand that, uh, you, uh, the biological father of your children had
passed away several years before you met Jeff and I’m curious, how that event
affected your ability to either cope with things or how you feared things in
life in general. [Jaqueline]: So that had made me so
hypersensitive to having safety for my kids so that, you know, I would, I was
going to do whatever I could do to make it so that they didn’t get hurt again.
And um, it was, it was very sudden and we didn’t, I mean, no, obviously nobody
knew that was going to happen. And so my best way for me to cope with that for my
kids was to give them this really safe, predictable life. And so I had created
this really nice little bubble for them where we had our routine and we had, you
know, it didn’t matter that we couldn’t go do all of these amazing things like
it was, we had structure and predictability and that’s a big one for
me. So it was really crazy, really, really crazy to end up falling in love
with somebody that is definitely the most unpredictable person I’ve ever met. [Jeff]: Why was I so excited to do this. [Jordan]: So good. Yeah. In that time, I
can imagine what you might’ve been feeling probably one of two things. One
is that my life is probably pretty chaotic without a father figure around
for my kids. I need to stay sheltered in that moment and protect them, not let
any outside influences jack with what we have going on versus here’s this
strapping young man who could maybe do it, but I don’t know. So how did you
tussle between that predictability and safety versus like, maybe I need to give
this a shot? [Jaqueline]: Well, the fact that they
had had no father figure was all the more reason that it was, it was so hard
that once, you know, Jeff had fallen in love with my kids and me and was willing
to come and take all this on. But then it’s like, okay, here we all are. But my
idea of how this was going to be was completely opposite of what the reality
of the situation was. So I mean it wasn’t pretty, it really wasn’t like we
had a lot of problems in our marriage because of our different ideas of what
it should be like and um, [Jeff]: Whatever it is, I can take it. [Jaqueline]: It wasn’t one thing in
particular. There are so many I was trying to choose. [Jordan]: That’s an interesting point
because maybe a lot of you are struggling with the reason for not doing
something, right? The reason to not do something is pretty palpable and you’ve
felt that way too. But there was a decision point that your reason not to
became your reason to do something. [Jaqueline]: Right. And it was little
things I think that you start realizing along the way like, okay, it does suck
that we don’t get our dinners together every night at five or six o’clock, but
it’s really cool that during the school year when no other dads are able to go
take time off, that we can take off if we want to and we don’t have to wait
for, you know, their vacation to come. Maybe we would go, you know, two weeks
without really seeing Jeff because he was so busy working. But then we’d be
able to get a really good week in of solid quality time. My mom got
pancreatic cancer and had to come and live with us so that we could take care
of her while she was passing away and Jeff was able to sit with her and I at
chemo every week when she had chemo. He was able to help me take care of her in
her final days. And so it kind of was a better deal, you know, in so many ways
it made it worth it and you just find your new normals and I don’t know, they
ended up being really cool ones. [Jaqueline]: You have suffered,
certainly tremendous loss and you know, maybe a lot of you have as well. So, I
think it’s important that we know whether loss has caused you to be
fearful of making new decisions like this or emboldened by them. [Jaqueline]: Loss has made it, I think
it’s made it, definitely easier because it makes you realize like life is short.
Our life together is short. I want, I want him to do the things that he loves
doing, that he thrives in, that make him happy, that make him feel like he’s
progressing. And when one of you gets that, the other one tends to get it
also. So, um, yeah, no, I, as sad as it is to people go, there are really
amazing things that come from loss. [Jordan]: Kind of sharpens you bet. [Jaqueline]: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. [Jordan]: To prepare for things that you
might not have been able to handle before. [Jaqueline]: Yes. And you see really
amazing things in, in the person you’re married to and your kids and when you’re
going through hard times like that. [Jordan]: Let’s talk about your kids a
bit. Um, and I’ll just state it bluntly. Do you feel like they have suffered at
the hand of entrepreneurship? [Jaqueline]: I think my perception in
the beginning was that they were suffering because I, because of what
we’ve been talking about because of the time, mainly because of the
unpredictability. And it’s so funny to look back and think about how I, I
viewed that because I really did think like this really sucks for them. Oh my
gosh, you know, I wish they could come home from school. And then we had our
couple hours to do what we need to do. And then we sat down as a family and,
you know, had our nights together. But the things that my kids have a learned,
the things that they have gotten to be able to come and experience are, I mean
I wouldn’t trade it for anything at this point. [Jordan]: Have they ever, have you ever
had maybe a come to Jesus moment with them that maybe you’ve never even told
Jeff and you know, or any kind of public platform of one of your kids coming to
you and asking why isn’t dad around? [Jaqueline]: Yes, definitely. Especially
with our oldest and he, it kinda, it comes in, I, you know, a couple of weeks
ago he said, he, he asked me why his dad been working so much again, like, or
when are we going to be able to see him? What am I going to be able to get time
with them? And that of course makes me feel sad for him. But also we’re to the
point now where all I have to do is go back to Jeff and say, you know, Brax is
feeling like he hasn’t seen you much. And Jeff will figure out a way to, okay,
well, you know, I’ll take him to a concert or I’ll go, he makes an effort
to drive him to school and they listened to music together. And it’s all about
having the communication to be able to meet everybody’s needs. [Jaqueline]: So who prioritizes that? Is
that you suggesting to Jeff that he does that? Or does he take that competent
initiative to say, I can, I can sense that someone needs some additional
attention. I’m going to put my business on hold in a moment of need to address
that. Who, who is responsible for ensuring that happens to me? [Jaqueline]: Me, it’s me reminding Jeff
of, you know, things like that that need to happen and then once reminded he’s
really quick and awesome at doing them. [Jordan]: I want to move into kind of
the, the money objective, which I’m sure you’ve, you’ve seen both sides of the
tracks. You’ve seen certainly the good life now because there’s been some
tremendous, tremendous success in your, your family has benefited from that and
all the long hours that he has put in. So I’m sure you feel that a lot of
people in this audience have pushed really hard and done a lot of hours and
maybe have not tasted that success yet. And they’re like, what am I even doing?
Why am I any different? Can you address that in terms of were the hours were
worth it? Cause you didn’t know that. You didn’t know whether it was, maybe
more aptly put, was there a moment of fear in your life where I literally
didn’t know if our bills are going to get paid? [Jaqueline]: Yes, definitely. When we started Xurli and we had
decided, you know well Jeff had decided, I say we because I’m trying to be a
team, but it was Jeff. Had decided to go, you know, do this next great idea.
And um, it was, it was really, really scary. I remember every single day I
would text him cause he was up trying to, you know, run this office and say,
how many sales have we done today? Are we going to be able to pay our power
bill? Like, you know what’s, and that, that was what it was for. I don’t know
how many months or, yeah, [Jeff]: I don’t want to Blab too much.
I’m so, it’s so beautiful and wonderful to hear from you. I don’t, I only want
to say one thing to create the context of what you’re saying. Even after so
much of the journey that you guys have seen and even after making some, you
know, having some real great success. This was after, you know, top 500 home
business earners in the world status that she’s talking about, hoping our
light bill gets paid. And the one time I ever had to call my parents and ask for
help with a bill was when our power got shut off. When I first started Xurli
after I had left the millionaire operating system, which had 50,000
members. So the, I, I want to make sure, you know, it’s not confused that like,
well, it was all, all the real problems were already solved and they were just
figuring out time and family stuff. [Jordan]: So tell me, what has been your
strategy with dealing with the unknown as an entrepreneurial spouse? [Jaqueline}: Um, what has been my
strategy? [Jordan]: Is it still evolving? You
feel? [Jaqueline]: It’s still evolving, but I
think, I think it’s hard for me to say what just my strategy is because the way
that we’ve made it work is to do it together. And Jeff has, I think that a
lot of the problem, like what I was saying in the beginning is that I felt
so separate from what he was doing and he has gotten really good at letting me
feel like I have some say or some enrollment in some of the things,
decisions that he’s making. And also my strategy. A lot of what my strategy is
is Jeff would focus on one thing that he was going to go make happen. And I
learned that if I could get a clear plan B or C or D or all the way to Z out of
him, that I felt a lot more safe. I felt more safe, which made me feel like my
kids were a lot more safe and secure. [Jordan]: So Jeff, just real briefly,
how have you supported her in that strategy strategy? [Jordan]: Um, it’s been a long, slow
process. You know, entrepreneurship I think sometimes is a, is a euphemism for
stubbornness. Which is I think and stubbornness is maybe a negative way of
saying, uh, that you have a unique ability to hold a vision, uh, you know,
and defend it against other people’s attacks. So it’s, you know, it’s all in
how you look at it. But I was very, very stubborn and I was, but I also said this
is how I know I have to be or how I thought I had to be in order to be
success to be successful. I, I define successful entrepreneurship as something
you do that you fortify against distractions, attacks and even in some
cases the needs of others, even if you care about them. I have learned that is
not so, and it’s been a long, slow process. And one of the biggest breakthroughs for
me is when our therapist who like, I don’t want to understate how important
it is to get help in dealing, working through these kinds of things. We are
not ashamed to admit that. Like we have had a lot of help to get to where we’re
able to balance some pretty intense things in our lives, our life together.
Um, our, our therapist jokingly, but not thanks to us regularly for his two
motorcycles that we bought him. But one of the biggest things that he ever said
that I took note of was if you want to have influence over another person,
allow them to have influence over you. The number one way to have influence
over another person is to allow them to have influence over you. It’s the law of
reciprocity that if I started to make what initially felt like compromises or
sacrifices or concessions to her and even to the kids that she, you know, it’s, it’s like,
it’s like me and you know, people say, Oh, it’s gotta be 50, 50. I’ll do my
half if you do your half. No, it’s, it’s a hundred, a hundred. And that if I just
said, I’m going to do every, every, and it’s not natural for me. I’m an only
child. I don’t naturally consider the needs of other people. And if, but if I
can just muster everyday some, some thing, even if it’s a token to show that
I’m thinking about what she needs, I’m thinking about what the kids need. I’m
thinking about how to do what I need to do and be true to who I am but still be
maybe even more normal. And I bristle at the term, but maybe I would try it on
here and there. Um, that may be that the law of reciprocity would, would
naturally bring us closer to the center. And it’s, that’s, that’s honestly what’s
happened. And I, I, in my presentation on day one and on day one, I didn’t even
know we were going to do this. Like this was an idea. I think we had what, maybe
that night or yesterday. But when I said the difference in my entrepreneurial
success has been family, it’s been all the unexpected benefits that come with
having to figure this kind of stuff out. Like developing empathy and developing a
sense that if you’re going to, if you’re going to slave away to provide for other
people, you can’t not provide for them in the meantime. And we’ve landed where
we are. [Jordan]: That’s powerful stuff. With
our remaining time here, do want to get in a couple rapid fire, tough questions.
So I’m curious now, uh, Jackie, have you ever felt, or do you still feel like
Jeff is kind of on trial? Like he’s on trial. He’s on like a, I’m still kind of
like, is it, is it really real? Is it,. [Jaqueline]: Um, Oh, I definitely. [Jordan]: Like on a test, is this still
a test for you? [Jaqueline]: I definitely did feel that
way, yes. But I think that… I have talked a lot about how I felt, you know,
like I wanted to protect the kids and keep them safe and have predictability
and, and everything else. And, because of my love for them, I was operating
from a place of needing to keep them safe and happy. And with Jeff, he was
always operating from a place of making money, making money. And it was like,
okay, why can’t you just see my side? And he’s like, why can’t you just see my
side? And we both wanted the exact same thing, but we both needed to do it in
ways and now I feel like we’ve met in the middle and are able to, you know,
give them everything that I wanted to give them in the first place. And us.
Does that answer your question? [Jordan]: Yeah. [Jeff]: So to be clear, I’m not on trial
anymore. [Jaqueline]: That was the question. No,
he passed. He passed. I’m sorry. I got distracted. [Jordan]: You made it. You’ve arrived,
ladies and gentlemen. Jeff Lerner has arrived. Yes. You won the game of life. [Jaqueline]: I was actually thinking,
why do I, why do I trust him so much now vs when we first met and it’s because
even though let’s be honest, there have been, I don’t want to use the word
failure, but what other word do you want me to use? [Jeff]: I’m okay with that I failed
forward. [Jaqueline]: There’s been a lot of
challenges but the successes have been so, so much more. And he’s developed a
pattern of pulling through and showing me like, I don’t want to say I was wrong
because I’m not typically wrong, but, um,. [Jordan]: I would never ask you to admit
it. [Jaqueline]: But I do wish I would have
cut him some more slack in the beginning. [Jordan]: So that’s actually my final
question for you. Kind of two part there. What advice would you give to 10
years ago, Jackie? Um, and I’m curious to know what are you looking forward to
in the future now that you’re at this, this phase? It’s kinda like, wow, this
is, this is actually happening. It’s kind of cool. So what advice would you
have given yourself knowing what you know now? Obviously 10 years ago version
of Jack and what’s the future like for you? [Jaqueline]: 10 years ago? [Jordan]: Yeah. Or like when it kind of
began. [Jaqueline]: Oh, okay. Um, I, I know the
advice I would have given myself and it would have been to try to know and see
and feel that Jeff had our best interests at heart also. And that’s what
I was trying to explain before. That just because we were showing them and
doing them differently. We both wanted, we both want the same end goal. And so I
do, I do wish I could have told myself to ease up and not be so hard on him,
not try to talk him out of the things that he knew he wanted and needed to do,
to be happy. [Jordan]: So what, what are you looking
forward to in the future now? [Jaqueline]: Just, I mean, it’s hard to
imagine things really getting better than they are, but I feel like I keep
saying that and things keep getting even more amazing. So I’m looking forward to
that and doing more of this. [Jordan]: This has been one of my
absolute favorite sessions I think we’ve done here how, how cool that is. I know
Jeff is going to continue on with this session. But would you guys join me in
thanking Jacqueline?

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